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Patrick Sullivan's avatar

Natures ledger is a source that might connect to the point!

I think the idea of a standard is both fundamentally flawed yet - also there is a there there - the idea of a tangible reality backed value system... So within the gold argument is a stronger claim - the gold standard doesn't go far enough...

Back to natures ledger and beyond: having an ecosystem that can continue producing values - including life and leisure, but also consumable harvests like logging and wild crafting is possible to do sustainably whilst having the ecosystem continue to hold value for the respective subjects of such a market... I'd actually add real estate to that - like housing and worker spaces... Making say $10,000 the new $100,000... A project manager crew could have there housing provided... Then they make a deficit and start a money-value system coordination... It'd probably have to start off small scale but could scale and many of these small scale versions could eventually communicate to form larger communities of such money. Obviously beyond scope of this comment section but hopefully you get the idea... We have the tools for this type of social coordinations and most certainly should and could be doing this - starting with food , water and shelter systems. And also starting with functional transparency of the respective decision makers...

Jah know!!!

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Perhaps the monetary/financial system leads to unsustainable economic growth, so maybe we also need to reform or transform the system, or build alternative exchange systems with new units of account.

Every official currency is basically created with the click of a keyboard by allocating credit and making digital accounting entries. But credit is often misallocated for unproductive or destructive purposes, which can lead to inflation and unsustainable economic growth. There is also an artificial scarcity and systemic shortage of money because it is typically created on the basis of interest-bearing debt, which keeps us in a collective state of perpetual debt and contributes to involuntary unemployment. Total aggregate debt, including principal and interest, is more than the total amount of money in existence.

Taxation can be used to disincentivize certain activities, such as pollution, but the monetary/financial system shouldn't be used to simply extract value and to further concentrate wealth and power. The production and exchange of value shouldn’t be artificially curtailed by an artificial scarcity of money.

There might be a finite amount of land, resources, etc., but money isn’t a scarce commodity. Money can be created as needed by allocating interest-free credit for productive purposes, within ecological limitations and material economic constraints. Maybe longer-term financing should be provided from savings (preferably as equity, not debt). But credit shouldn't be misallocated for unproductive purposes and money shouldn't be issued on the basis of interest-bearing debt.

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